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« on: August 26, 2009, 11:31:20 pm »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7172662.stm


This month shops in the UK will begin the process of phasing out traditional tungsten bulbs as part of a government plan to completely replace them by 2011.(please click on the above link for full article)
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From my friend's website:-

http://ellisctaylor.homestead.com/econobulbs.html

Are trendy Econobulbs strafing the brain stem?

this article originally appeared on my (late) blog (ellistaylor.blogspot.com) on 15 NOVEMBER 2007

I attended a meeting last night - no, not Jesse Jackson's (who was speaking in Oxford) - I liked them better when they were with Motown. This one was a UFO group meeting. I go now and again. They're a lovely, fascinating bunch of people and I always learn something new.

One of the members is a bit of an 'Inspector Gadget', you know, the sort of person who can whip up a (working) moon-lander out of an old bed base, a couple of hose clips and the crank case of a Morris Minor. A delightful eccentric genius. I'll call him Alan.

Anyway...I'm sitting talking to another member when Alan wanders in nonchanently. He's bearing his customary plastic shopping bag crammed with dvds and cds, bits of wire and capacitors (whatever they are), magazines and stuff, as well as an ordinary light bulb and one of those eco bulbs that governments everywhere are encouraging (sometimes forcing) us to use.

"Watch this," Alan pipes up. "Have you got a ordinary radio?" he asks our host, who disappears out of the room and returns with said item. The radio is plugged in and switched on and so is the ordinary light bulb. Alan waves the radio around the bulb and the radio behaves as it should do; but when the same exercise is performed with the eco bulb the most horrendous interference ensues - which immediately gave me a powerful headache and a nauseous feeling.

As you might have gathered I am not a technolological person (I can't even write it let alone understand it) and the scientific explanation went over my head like a Concord; so I asked Alan to write it down. Hope you can understand it better than I can:

"The mini fluorescent bulbs that are currently recommended, due to missing out of 5 components (Diode capacitors and ferrite suppressors) are prodigious source of bio and environment EMI (Electromagnetic interference)."

Alan posits that mini fluorescents are dangerous to human beings and are also designed to interfere with long wave radio. The electromagnetic interference harmfully affects our brain stem and jams long (and some medium) wave broadcasts.

In the event that all light bulbs are replaced with the new energy saving light bulbs (called globes in Australia) all households will be prevented fom receiving distance long wave broadcasts.
These new bulbs inhibit the flow and reception of long waves.

Alan says:

"This silly 20W bulb is more effective than any amount of government jamming...that is, people implementing the low voltage or fluorescent bulb protocols are jamming all frequencies below radio 5 from reception ESPECIALLY FOREIGN BROADCASTS that are conventionally always jammed by Fascists, National Socialists...and Communists."

Is this a tactic to not only isolate us but negatively impact on our health as well? In any case, test the radio/ light bulb exercise yourself. I saw and felt the effects and I won't be using them.

Ellis Taylor
15th November 2007
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I am not too happy with this development! I have suffered first hand through these low energy bulbs, with severe headaches and sickness as well as feeling depressed! I kid you not! A friend of ours had low energy bulbs in his kitchen and front room and I felt bloody awful when I was there! As I have described, jokingly I put it down to his naff coffee! Seriously though this affected both my partner and myself. Took us a few visits to find out what was causing us this distress, and I remembered the piece in Ellis' website which is included above. We told our friend about this and he changed back to the old ones - hey presto no headaches, sickness or depression. And our friend said he felt much better too! It wasn't until we twigged onto the lighting situation that this all came to light(sorry:-)!).

I would love to hear your thoughts on this, and especially from anyone else who has experienced side effects from low energy bulbs.

SOME ADDITIONAL LINKS:-

http://www.fidn.co.uk/Miscellaneous/Low-energy%20bulbs%20could%20affect%20your%20health.htm

Low-energy bulbs could affect your health

Using environmentally-friendly light bulbs can be bad for your skin, say doctors.

Energy-saving light bulbs blamed for migraines
The new energy-saving bulbs produce a more intense light and can exacerbate a range of existing skin problems.

New energy-saving bulbs produce more intense light

Now it is feared that thousands of people may be unable to use electric light in their own homes, visit family and friends, or have access to employment and public services if the government's plan to phase out the normal variety of incandescent lighting goes ahead without exemptions.

The warning has been issued by Spectrum, an alliance of charities working with people with light sensitive conditions, and the British Association of Dermatologists.

It comes after the Migraine Action Association warned the energy-saving light bulbs could trigger migraines.

The government wants to phase out traditional, incandescent bulbs by 2011 but no allowances have been made for people suffering from light sensitive conditions who often suffer severe and painful reactions to fluorescent lighting and other forms of non-incandescent lighting.

Spectrum is running a campaign to raise awareness of the impact on people's health in response to the government decision to ban incandescent light bulbs. They claim as many as 340,000 people could be affected.

Andrew Langford, chief executive officer of the Skin Care Campaign, one of the charities involved, said: 'Incandescent light bulbs are the only source of electric light for many thousands of people with light sensitive conditions.

'Add to this the thousands of people whose conditions or treatments may secondarily cause them to be light sensitive, and you have a large number of people potentially being isolated in the dark.

'The government simply must allow incandescent light bulbs to be available to these people, their families, friends and employers, and at a fair price.'

Dr Colin Holden, President of the British Association of Dermatologists, said: 'It is important that patients with photosensitive skin eruptions are allowed to use lights that don't exacerbate their condition.

'Photosensitive eruptions range from disabling eczema-like reactions, to light sensitivities that can lead to skin cancer. It is essential that such patients are able to protect themselves from specific wavelengths of light emitted by fluorescent bulbs, especially as they are often trapped indoors because they can't venture out in natural sunlight.'

Spectrum is urging the government to maintain the availability of incandescent light bulbs purely to those who affected, which will enable the protection of the environment without penalising those unable to live with fluorescent lighting. One option could simply be to allow the purchase of environmentally-friendly, energy efficient incandescent light bulbs which GE Consumer and Industrial is currently developing and hopes to market in 2010.

Spectrum argues that the total social exclusion for thousands of vulnerable, sick and disabled people, resulting from an unconditional ban, would contradict many other policies of the government, including Disability Equality Duty, which came into force on 4 December 2006, and the Green Paper on Welfare Reform published in January 2006.

Taken from the Telegraph website
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/01/05/eabulb105.xml
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Energy-saving light bulbs blamed for migraines
By Laura Clout
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 03/01/2008

The energy-saving light bulbs that will be made compulsory in homes in a few years can trigger migraines, campaigners have claimed.

The Migraine Action Association (MAA) said some of its members alleged the fluorescent bulbs had led to attacks of the powerful headaches.

Some energy-saving bulbs may triggers headaches

By 2011, Britain will be the first European country to phase out traditional bulbs as part of a strategy to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

The MAA is calling on the Government to avoid a complete ban on old-style bulbs, by providing an opt-out for people with health problems.

Last year it was claimed that the "green" bulbs can cause people with epilepsy to experience symptoms similar to the early stages of a fit.

There have also been complaints from people with lupus, a chronic immune disease that causes pain and extreme tiredness.

Low energy light bulbs use only a quarter of the energy consumed by traditional versions and are estimated to save 2,000 times their weight in greenhouse gases.

They are often five times more expensive but the greater efficiency means they can pay for themselves within months.

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Several versions use a technology similar to fluorescent strip lights and some migraine sufferers say they produce a flickering effect that triggers their condition.

Karen Manning, from the MAA, said: "When the Government announced that traditional light bulbs would be phased out, we were inundated with over 200 calls and emails from members who said the flickering had caused migraines.

"This is a debilitating condition which can often leave people bed-ridden for days.

"The bulbs do not necessarily affect every sufferer, but we are talking about up to six million people in the UK who suffer migraines - so this is a serious concern.

"We would ask the Government to avoid banning them completely and leave some opportunity for conventional bulbs to be purchased."

The Lighting Association, which represents manufacturers, denied that modern designs produced a flicker.

A spokesman said: "A small number of cases have been reported by people who suffer from reactions to certain types of linear fluorescent lamps. These were almost certainly triggered by old technology."

Taken from the Telegraph website
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/01/03/eabulb103.xml

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The Below was taken from The Department for Enviroment Food and Rural Affairs Website http://www.defra.gov.uk/
Are these bulbs bad for my health?
Energy efficient light bulbs are not a danger to the public.
However, we are aware of anecdotal evidence that the use of these bulbs could have adverse effects on some people’s health and are working with the lighting industry and the Department of Health to resolve these issues.
Like many household products, they must be disposed off sensibly and there are suitable facilities available for this purpose. Although they contain mercury, it cannot escape from a lamp that is intact. In any case, the very small amount contained in an energy efficient bulb is unlikely to cause harm even if the lamp should be broken.
Do they cause epilepsy?
No – the new generation of energy efficient bulbs operate on a higher frequency than earlier models, which means a constant, flicker-free light. If your light does flicker it may be old and need replacing or it may be an ‘early generation’ bulb. We’d encourage people to look for the ‘Energy Saving Recommended’ label which means the bulb has met Energy Savings Trust criteria and standards.
Will they give me a migraine?
We have received anecdotal reports that a small number of people may have experienced problems. This is a concern to us and we will ensure that there are no unintended consequences of the voluntary phase out.
Again, it’s worth noting that the new generation of energy efficient bulbs operate on a higher frequency than earlier models, which means a constant, flicker-free light. As the technology evolves, the bulbs will continue to improve. We’d encourage people to look for the ‘Energy Saving Recommended’ label which means the bulb has met Energy Savings Trust criteria and standards.
But I’m photosensitive.
When the original energy saving bulbs (for example straight fluorescent tubes) were first introduced, they operated at mains frequency which caused problems for people who are especially sensitive to flickering light. This has now been resolved and all energy saving bulbs operate at high frequency, reducing flicker to less than would be experienced by watching a computer monitor or TV.
We are aware that there are still a minority number of people who claim the use of fluorescent lights in particular could be a problem. The Government is working to consider how to avoid any unintended consequences from the phase out of inefficient light bulbs. The Government would consider the full range of impacts of any mandatory policy measure before it is introduced and will continue to work with stakeholders to avoid any unintended adverse impacts.
Are they bad for my skin?
We have received anecdotal reports that a small number of people may find they experience problems. This is a concern to us and we will ensure that there are no unintended consequences of the voluntary phase out. While this may effect only a small minority of people, we will find a way to accommodate their needs if necessary, working with the lighting industry and the Department of Health to resolve any health issues.
Do CFLs contain mercury?
Yes, they need mercury to generate light efficiently. The mercury is used to produce ultraviolet light, which is then changed into light we can see by a special coating in the lamp. The coating is inert and poses no health risk.
Nowadays, the typical amount is around 4 milligrams per lamp – just enough to cover the tip of a ball point pen and just enough to last the expected life-time of the lamp.
Will CFLs cause less mercury to be emitted to the environment than standard light bulbs?
Over the life time of both lamp types, energy efficient bulbs produce less mercury. This is due to the fact that mercury is emitted from power stations during electricity generation and energy saving bulbs are more energy efficient – therefore saving on the amount of electricity that needs to be generated.
Of course, we’ve done a lot to reduce mercury emissions in the UK in recent years. Total emissions have fallen by 80% since 1990 and stand at 7.6 tonnes a year (2005 NAEI figures - see www.airquality.com); power generation accounts for about 31% of this total.
Does the mercury in a CFL pose a risk?
The mercury cannot escape from an intact lamp and, even if the lamp should be broken, the very small amount of mercury contained in a single, modern CFL is most unlikely to cause any harm.
But it makes sense to avoid unnecessary contact with mercury; and any light bulb – broken or intact – should be dealt with sensibly.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/climatechange/uk/household/products/cfl.htm

    

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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2009, 11:21:27 am »

So THATS why the reception is so poor when I try to listen to commentary of Leeds Utd match.And there was me thinking the aerial was kaput.
Haven't had migraines,and the depression is a shared thing countrywide with this lot in power taking us deeper n deeper down.
But these bulbs could be helping.It's bloody depressing when you switch on ....a bit like being back in Dicks days.Well we'll have to buy lots of candles methinks.
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« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2009, 01:52:39 pm »

So THATS why the reception is so poor when I try to listen to commentary of Leeds Utd match.And there was me thinking the aerial was kaput.
Haven't had migraines,and the depression is a shared thing countrywide with this lot in power taking us deeper n deeper down.
But these bulbs could be helping.It's bloody depressing when you switch on ....a bit like being back in Dicks days.Well we'll have to buy lots of candles methinks.

we noticed these eco light bulbs being used in Asdas here in Liverpool, anyone else seen the same when out shopping.
PLUS when we shop in Tescos we fill nauseas......again anyone else feel the same?

we are going to invest in oil lamps etc as we both feel like shit when close to these bulbs.

what says ya'all folks......
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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2009, 01:09:27 pm »

I feel nauseous just thinking about going shopping Cheesy

Here's a thought off the top of my head. Research needs to be done but convert to a 12/24 volt system now and you will still be able to use filament bulbs. You could convert to low voltage halogen bulbs which do kick out a lot of light (and heat  Undecided) but I remember reading somewhere that the light wavelength from Halogen not being too good for human health either.

There is always LED's which can give an excellent colour temperature but to run straight from mains would require a lot of effort.

Let's say we were concerned with a reading lamp. It would be fairly straightforward to wire a series of twenty 12 volt (or ten 24 volt) auto bulbs into an existing lampstand.

The main problem I see with this at the moment is acquiring the lamp holders but I'm sure it shouldn't be too difficult and once they have been acquired using the new LED replacement auto lamps would considerably cut down on power consumption.

Another solution would be to get hold of a couple of big 12 volt transformers like the type you would find in industrial strength battery chargers and run new 12 volt lighting circuits.

Beware of oil lamps and paraffin wax candles as the fumes from these are highly toxic.

I can't see these low energy lamps replicating daylight so I wonder if they will continue to make those daylight filament bulbs? Also what about coloured festoon lamps?? I can't see Blackpool being too happy if they do.

Mmmm perhaps this isn't going to affect us that much after all  Grin Grin
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2009, 05:44:04 am »

A pensioner has defied an EU ban by hoarding more than 1,000 traditional light bulbs  -  enough to see her 'into the grave'.

Valerie Hemsley-Flint, 62, has spent more than £500 of her pension money stockpiling the old-style 100-watt bulbs.

From September 1, EU countries were banned from producing or importing incandescent bulbs and shops can sell only energy-efficient ones.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212514/Pensioner-hoards-1-000-incandescent-lightbulbs-read-rest-life-following-EU-ban.html#ixzz0QnFaOLIf



One of the quotes left after that article-

Good old light bulbs also come under the name of ROUGH SERVICE BULBS if buying on the internet.

- Dorian, Manchester uk, 11/9/2009 10:41

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